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abaHoopin · #1 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:00 PM

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reemjamal · #2 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 10:05 PM

dude did you get my PM's reply back

Sim · #3 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 11:13 PM

tried em ages ago and know others who tried them. stupidest thing ever.

he tallks BS for ages about how we can ballistically "stretch" our achilles tendons and get results overnight. this exercise will never give anyone any inches, he literally talks about a transformation of athletic ability just by stretching your tendon, so you can tell he is lying.

the only way of transforming is the hard way by getting as strong as you can. any good jumper has very powerful glutes, hamstrings and quads for his bodyweight.

stop wasting time on gimmicks and ploys to get your money and attention. it's not that hard to listen to real experts who have training proof, not marketing claims, audio tapes and squeeze pages all aimed at your hope and guilt that this program is the best. believe me, luke's is by far the worst, but his sales pitch is the best

jacobwh · #4 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 05:55 AM

I'm skeptical of the Super Hops idea. However even if it does work it can also be done with a loaded backpack and on the edge of a stair. With the same bouncing movement. I am still looking for studies done with tendons that show an increase in stretch reflex. I also think that through the course of proper plyometrics, strength training, and stretching the tendon will be just as if not more conditioned then with this exercise alone. I'd be interested if anyone has any scientific studies done on tendon conditioning and plyometrics response, or even other information on the subject.

I also think it is interesting how this technique is said to "lengthen" the achilles tendon and thus make it stronger. In other studies I found this:

"lengthening the tendon causes some weakness in the calf muscles, which can cause unsteadiness, but can be improved with calf strengthening exercises," Johnson says.

Lengthening achilles tendon reduces recurrence of diabetic f...( for six weeks to heal. After se...)

There is actually a surgical procedure to lengthen the Achilles to correct certain problems but they are saying the actual lengthening weakens the calf muscle.

I think the real issue is make the tendon more "stress resistance" and thus more reactive. I also think that the real trick to that is heavy weight in the gym which causes an adaptive response in the body for skeletal muscles, bones, tendons, and ligaments to better resist stress.

I'd love to nail this subject down though if anyone is game for it.

I'm not however bashing Luke, I think he is a more knowledgeable individual then people give him credit for. Doesn't mean he is always right, but I do give him credit for having alot of knowledge as well as creative ideas.

Sim · #5 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:01 AM

You wouldn't say that if you read his program.

His only justification is some made up BS that this increases, almost magically, the ELASTICITY of the tendon. It was crazy enough for me to try it for a few weeks. It was a gimmick.

Not only that, he also used a link to some random article about some guy who had a foot problem and so walked on his toes all his life, strengthening his calves.

Now you would agree that it is stupid, as you yourself know the difference between the two adaptations that took place.

His whole book is disgusting. It's a string of made up nonsense that doesn't give any results at all

vertfreak101 · #6 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 02:08 PM

haha Sim, you are a fiery man!

vcolympicdunk · #7 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:12 PM

Im not sayin that LL is a God or anything lol, and about 99% of the time he is completly full of shit! But I did gain 6 inches from doin 6 weeks of TVP. so it can work.

Sim · #8 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 11:29 PM

You would have got amazing results on a real workout bro!

The principals he bases his setup on are honestly made up. He fills his ebook up with sooo many opinions, such as squats are slow therefore slow your vertical...

This is from the self-proclaimed world's leading authority on vertical...

Who also happens to be an extremely clever marketer. Yeah he says it's really expensive for a reason no? Yet clickbank shows a crazy high affiliate cut, like 45% or something. So no wonder we are always surrounded by his campaign. Every market runs on greed, niche or otherwise

jacobwh · #9 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 04:23 AM

Sim,

You ever done a blind test with the SpringBak insoles? I'd like to settle that one for people in an undoubtable fashion as well. It's rather surprising that my University (BYU) tested and uses them, as well as USA teams. I'm skeptical though. I think it could be settled by blind vert testing on video. The jumper not knowing when the soles are in the shoes or another placebo pair. I have one athlete who did the test for me at his home, and his sending me the vid. I'll post it as soon as he sends it.

Sim · #10 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 06:55 AM

Yep well I can tell you that it plays mainly on the placebo effect... they say the more power you have the higher your gains from the insole will be right? Yet Adam doesn't get any increase on his vert. I even tried their test of broad jumps with and without their insoles, they claimed it would put 6"s on it minimum, another lie!

Their rumour that Kobe wore them on his 81 points night is quite funny because if they didn't say rumour they would face law suits,, and it's a silly connection that he started wearing the them then suddenly scored 81?!?!

The cure for shin splints is also a great ploy. It coincidentally plays on the guilt factor that so many products do. Literally sends the message "if you don't get this product you are at risk"

Sounds sceptical but I do have a pair and I find them quite useless