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JC-mvp xD · #1 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:20 AM

Hey people,
I`m new here, I found out about your website while searching for a good jump program. I bought AVR, I have downloaded VJB (the 2005 pdf version with super high reps), I have downloaded TVP (I can`t access it though cause its an ebook and I need a username and password), I have downloaded the training exercises for AA3 (I won't do it though cause I heard it busts your knees and I already have knee problems) and I have downloaded the jump manual (which sometimes blocks me from reading it cause I need a username and password like with TVP, but sometimes it doesn`t block me

) and besides AA3, they all pretty much say that to maximize your gains, you need to do some weight lifting as well as some plyometric training, cause they all basically say something like Power = Speed x Strength and that you need a good base of strength to be able to get anywhere. However, I have also heard and read that weight lifting is bad for teens and that it will stop my growing because it negatively affects your bone structure that isn`t very solid at this point in your life (Parents, coaches, chiropractor, physiotherapists all tell me this) while some people say if done well, with good form and supervision, weight lifting can actually increase your growth rate and is good for you.
I know that the programs offer body weight exercises, but most of the programs say that you need to do weight lifting for optimal results.
So I`m pretty lost and would like you guys` input here.
All advice is welcome as long as it is constructive

Thanks,
Jeremy

CrossCL · #2 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 03:30 PM

Personally, I think all that stuff about negatively affecting growth only applies to people who dont do the exercises properly or are lifting extremely heavy weights. Secondly, it really depends on how your growth is turning out. Has your height still been rocketing upwards or has it already tailed off a little. If it is already slowing down and approaching your final height, moderate weight lifting should be fine. Be sure to find someone who will teach you the proper form and help you out though. Happy weight lifting and eventual dunking

JC-mvp xD · #3 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 06:19 PM

Thanks a lot for the info!

I'll talk to my physiotherapist and chiropractor soon and try to convince them to let me weight lift if I make sure to get supervised at a gym where someone can make sure I have good form and perform safely

I think I'll start doing the AVR novice weights and novice plyometrics mixed in with some VJB stuff added in once I recover from my knee problems.
But in the meantime, anyone tested AVR and had success? It seems like a decent program.

Thanks again for the help,

Jeremy

By the way, I'm 6ft2 and 14 years old.
I don't quite know what my vertical is but before I was injured/messed my knee up, I could dunk inconsistently and I was able to touch the middle of the square on the backboard.
That's without any training.
Hope to be dunking with ease soon!

Sim · #4 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 11:41 PM

look up real athletic trainers like elliot hulse, charlse poliquin etc

they sh!t all over physios and chiropracters. they're basically useless for most people.

you're 14 and worried about doing weights now? when the strongest and most athletic people in the world do squats, cleans and jerks when they before they hit puberty. i think you're reading in the wrong places bro, try the coaches i mentioned, and the VertFreak101 Forum - Powered by vBulletin

how can getting stronger, in every aspect of bones and joints as well as mucle, stunt your growth?

jacobwh · #5 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 04:58 AM

Short version: Younger kids can definitely benefit from the training. In fact, it is safer for them to do this training than not to... here is why.

Long version: Kids are already engaging in this type of intensity in regular activities and sports but they are doing it in an "uncontrolled" environment. The workout takes the most intense portions and puts them in a "controlled" environment. In this environment athletes of all ages can strengthen their bodies in a way to prevent potential injuries in "uncontrolled" environments.

I definitely recommend supervision and starting out with low weights or using the alternative exercises instead of the weights as a starting point.

Also, lifting weights causes stronger bones, ligaments, supporting structures, and even a greater natural release of growth hormone into the body. There are studies done showing a relationship of taller kids linked to weightlifting.

In the end, proper and progressive weight lifting will make you healthier, stronger, more injury resistant, happier, and possibly even taller.

Good luck...

JC-mvp xD · #6 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 05:45 AM

Thanks again for the heads up guys!

I talked to my physiotherapist and chiropractor and they said it was fine as long as I started weight lifting with small weights and worked my way to higher loads, which I believe is reasonable, still being better than body weight lifting right?

So thanks a lot guys, I`ll soon be starting AVR with VJB and I hope to be crashing the boards in my games in the near future!

And Mr. Jacob Hiller, I`m real sorry for having downloaded your program, but I downloaded it from a link you posted on a forum here, and now, I can`t access it anymore because it completely blocks me out starting out at chapter 4 through to the other chapters at the end, so I don`t feel real guilty anymore.

Your program gave me a lot of important and fundamental information when I was able to access it so thank you for posting it. To me, the jump manual looks like a very sound program that will give you realistic gains if you dedicate yourself to it!

Also for Kelly Baggett if he is somewhere reading this, I would also like to apologize for having downloaded it. It has a ton of information in it, some of it really valuable to me in aiding my comprehension of vertical jump training, and I would recommend it to anyone who is truly determined and wants to improve in all things. The programs and exercises in it are thoroughly explained and detailed and will help anyone see awesome gains.

These are two fantastic programs in my opinion, and will help everyone's vertical if they try them and dedicate themselves to it.

And for Luke Lowrey, well, I don`t have much respect for him.

By the way, anyone heard of the vertfreak 101 program? It`s a bit expensive, but seems real good.

I`m a bit off topic now so never mind.

Sim · #7 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:04 AM

Yep keep reading up on the vertfreak program its worth twice the price of lowrey's scam... i tried many many things but that was the only thing that got me dunking.

Just check the forum there VertFreak101 Forum - Powered by vBulletin because I wana get a vid up soon! Not to mention the author's dunk videos are inspiring

Sim · #8 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:07 AM

whoops the whole point of me replying was based on u saying it was expensive! just wanted to let you know adam will be halving the price real soon

JC-mvp xD · #9 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 07:43 AM

Sweet!
I`m checking it out right now!

jacobwh · #10 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 04:19 AM

Step out of the confessional booth JC

hahaha The program is actually free up to chapter 4. So it's not problem, you probably never really pirated, only had the intent in your heart. Good luck with you training and keep us updated here.