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Old 11-08-2007, 09:06 AM
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Default Muscles holding us back...

'k, i'l try to keep this simple, but this is DOING my head in. basically, every muscle has an opposite. now if that 'opposite' constantly has tension, then the other muscle can never contract to its full potential. take biceps, for instance, if u cut your triceps off, there'd be no opposite tension and u'd be able to do heavier bicep curls. if that was the end of the story, then that would be great, workout calves and quads etc, and stay away from working out the antagonistic muscles...as that would provide you with a DISADVANTAGE.

however...

when doing a speed contraction (like jumpin') the eccentric contraction is equally important as the concentric contraction. that means, to jump up, u need to do the opposite of jump before it (which is that wind up thing, where u kinda dip down for a second). that uses these 'opposite' muscles, i've been tlaking about, so in this case, working them out provides an ADVANTAGE.

now this whole contraversy sparked up when i heard about the Dorsi Flexors, or as i call them, The Shin Muscle. it is opposite the calf, and is used in the eccentric contraction of jumping. to work it out, you supposedly walk on your heels, and u'll feel the burn. however, wouldn't we just be better off without them? or does working out Antagonistic Muscles to jumping provide a distinct advantage in the contraction cycle?

sorry if this has just confused the hell out of you, but gettin' hops is serious business, it aint all VJB. which doesn't say much bout the matter btw.

neways, tell me watya think plz

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Old 11-08-2007, 10:06 AM
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Default Re: Muscles holding us back...

not workin the 'shin muscle' as you know will cause an imbalance... and in theory ur correct its the opposite muscle that does hinder mass usage of the muscle as u may have read in VJB or somewhere else. honestly though you are best off training the opposing muscle or else you will be very injury prone... strong calves and weak shins -> shin splints (and there 'cousins') and likewise working just ur quads and not ur hammies can lead to many knee injuries (i was prone to tendonitis from repeative jumping and not working the hammies)... long story short, ur only as strong as ur opposing muscle
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Old 11-08-2007, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: Muscles holding us back...

yea your right.. thats what i heard from mark sias .. if you work on your shin muscle, it will help a bit..
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:43 PM
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i read in vertical project that to work out ure shin u can do somehting as simple as flexing them by pointing ure toes up and getting ure feet to bend back as far as u can go,thats one rep,he tells you to do something like 300 of those
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: Muscles holding us back...

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i read in vertical project that to work out ure shin u can do somehting as simple as flexing them by pointing ure toes up and getting ure feet to bend back as far as u can go,thats one rep,he tells you to do something like 300 of those
I have the best thing for my shins right now i have a baseball belt tied to the end of my bed and i just put my foot in the belt and pull towards me.
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:37 PM
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Antagonist and protagonist muscle groups work together. It is impossible to isolate one group completely, and like previously stated, you don't want imbalances which can lead to injuries.
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: Muscles holding us back...

Your CNS doesn't allow you to use your full muscler potential. Strengthening your tendons and antagonist muscles will allow you to use more of the strength that you already have.

*edit typo CNN is a notorious news network CNS is Central Nervous System*

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Old 11-09-2007, 03:21 AM
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Your CNS doesn't allow you to use your full muscler potential. Strengthening your tendons and antagonist muscles will allow you to use more of the strength that you already have.

*edit typo CNN is a notorious news network CNS is Central Nervous System*
ahahaha lol nice one
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Old 11-09-2007, 03:48 PM
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there was sumthin like this in the bible i think wit antagonist and protagonist muscles just rd it again
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