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Old 06-22-2007, 11:09 PM
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Exclamation Compare and Contrast: ending the TVP/VJB discussion

The reason for this thread was that I was just sick of seeing the discussions of TVP and VJB and which one is better than which and how every thread can be turned into a discussion of which program is better. I think it’s time a there should be a thread closing the discussion once and for all. This thread will answer all, if not beyond any questions you have ever had on the two programs.

Now I don't claim to know everything about TVP and VJB, but I have studied them in depth and tried it.

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What’s up with the price differences?
So which program should I choose?
-are you strong enough?
-how much time do you have?
-how committed are you?
-do you have access to a good gym/pool?
The different approaches
The same results
How badly do you want to increase your vertical jump?
FAQ: Which is better?
What can you do to increase your VJ right now?


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What’s up with the price differences?

The major visible difference which often makes a first impression on people is the price difference between VJB and TVP. We live in a materialistic world which revolves around a theory that says the more expensive something is, the better. His house costs ten grand more, so it must be better; that carton of milk costs a dollar more, it must have better nutrition. The list goes on an on.

However, we can’t use price to judge everything. His house may cost ten grand more, but does it necessarily mean it’s better? Of course not! It could just be it’s in a more favorable position. Now back on topic with TVP and VJB.

There is not doubt that both these programs work dramatically well, which is why there is so much discussion on which is better. Now, prices in this case reflects the content. Let’s compare the two.

TVP offers: TVP (of course), the Instant Vertical Exercise, Complete CNS chart, The Optimal Health for You, Exercise Databank, Life going upgrades, the unannounced bonus: Ripped to the Bones Abs, full refund+$100 if not satisfied, AND for extra $100, the 50 inch Report.

VJB offers: VJB, Lower body and Abs, Mental Advantage, free 40% referral program, and money back guarantee if not satisfied.

The Vertical Project has almost 3 times as much extras as VJB, no wonder it’s so expensive! However, let’s look at the original reason for these programs, to increase our VJ. The programs (exercises) make up only 10% or less of the program. The rest 90% is scientific stuffs around vertical jump. Sure knowing them would help, but is it necessary? NO.

The bonuses in these programs are not bonuses at all, which is the primary reason why TVP costs so much. VJB has less bonuses, thus costing less. So, remember, a program’s price is often determined by it’s bonuses. Why? No company in the right mind will give away free valuable information. Anything done with money is worth money.

What can you conclude?
1.Both VJB and TVP are priced because of their bonuses.
2.The actual sought after content (exercises to increase VJ) makes up 10% or less of the program. The rest is scientific info which can be included or not.
3.We think that expensive things are better, which is not true half the time.

Due to the time restrain I have, this is all I can write for today, more content will come soon. Mods, please sticky this if you like because it’s such a frequent topic.

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So Which Program Should I Choose?

This is really not to question because both VJB and TVP are excellent. However, there are several points you should consider.

1. How Strong Are You?
Can you deadlift and full squat 1.5-2 times bodyweight? If not, then VJB is for you. The VJB novice weights can get your strength base up significantly in just 12 weeks. It will condition your entire lower body, strengthen the posterior chain, and possibly even eliminate your weak link. You know what they say, the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Even if you got great quads, but your posterior chain is weak, your VJ will be greatly limited.

The TVP requires you to be able to FS and DL 1.5-2 times bodyweight because the exercises incorporated requires a certain percentage of your max. Since the percentage tends to be low (less than 50%) most of the time, the main goal of the TVP is to double your power output, not to increase your strength base.

If you have never lifted weights before and cannot FS and DL 1.5-2 times bodyweight than TVP is a complete waste of time. Like I said earlier, the main goal of TVP is to double power output, not to increase your strength base. This will discussed later on in the Different Approaches.

2.How much time do you have?
If you are in school or have a busy schedule, your options become limited.

Let me explain, VJB novice weights and plyometrics can be down separately, preferably Plyos first in the morning and then weights before dinner. Thus the program can be divided into 2 portions and time doesn’t become a major issue. The Novice Weights on average takes no more than an hour and if your rest intervals are short, it can be under 45 min. Plyos take around 1 hour to complete which is fair.

In TVP however, there is a huge difference. The workout is at 6:30 in the morning! This is a must because your muscles are most fresh and rested in the morning. The next time you wake up, flex your muscles and you will notice that it is much more stronger than it was the previous night. The average TVP workout in the morning takes more than 1.5 hours because of its required rest intervals, however, the workouts becomes shorter every phase.

TVP is recommended in the summer when you have more time but during school schedules, it’s a pain in the ass to fit in.

3. How committed are you?
Both these programs require you to be very committed. However, there is much more of an emphasis on the TVP as it states that one missed workout can put you behind 2 workouts! In the VJB, there isn’t much emphasis and Kelly tells you not to worry about missed workouts.

4. Do you have access to a good pool or gym?
If you don’t have access to a pool or gym, forget TVP. I am not even going to say why because it’s pretty self explanatory. TVP is ADVANCED! It requires you to do pool work.

Just of it is that if you don’t have a pool, do VJB. Because without pool plyos, you won’t gain 6 inches in 60 days.

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Old 06-22-2007, 11:22 PM
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if u have access 2 a pool(on a regular basis,which is of sufficient size),time,weights(not just free weights) and have a deep understanding of vertical jump training, dedication and r really really serious about increasing ya vert(when i mean srs i mean changing ya whole lifestyle in order to get the best results),then go 4 TVP.However if u have little time,no weights and r dedicated up 2 a certain piont where making certain choices cant happen (or r 2 young for em)and want the best results u can get with wat ur doing,then go 4 VJB.
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you do realise he put those posts in so when he has time he can actually edit the posts and write about the topic listed? he isnt actually asking he question, he is waiting to write about it, just not yet. =_=
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