ya man i know what you guys are saying. every time i look up an excercise that either works out the whole body or makes you put on weight dedlifts are the excercise to do it. im not doubting this trainer, he is highly educated and is over 50 years old, but knowing the world in exercise there is so many theories when it comes down to weight lifting. honestly i think the old school workouts are the best to work on and the highly specialized workouts arnt as great. on the contrary i think TVP has given me a great workout, and regardless of how much it does for my vert i know that puting on a good burn at the gym without overtraining myself is a real good feeling. also ive started stretching with the stretch expert system and have actualy improved my stretching range alot (i can now touch my toes).