It seems as though everybody hopped on the vjb bandwagon on this forum and trash tvp with every opportunity they get. I will agree that vertical project is a terrible product (cost $300) however as a program it's not that bad. I know many others who have just found the program and finished the program with some good gains.

So without the price and the hatred against Luke and his lies, what would you rank the PROGRAM among the other programs?
(and if your just gonna say vjb, then you really don't have to reply)

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